Recode Decode: Ellen Pao, author, “Reset”

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2017

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Investor Ellen Pao talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about her new book, “Reset: My Fight for Inclusion and Lasting Change,” which chronicles Pao’s 2015 court battle against her former employer, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. She reflects on why the gender discrimination lawsuit ultimately failed, and why Pao believes it nevertheless laid the groundwork for future whistleblowers like ex-Uber employee Susan Fowler. She also talks about her ensuing work as interim CEO of Reddit, what she thinks of the controversial memo written by former Google engineer James Damore, and why we shouldn’t take tech companies’ proclamations of “free speech” idealism at face value. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:37.0	Recode Radio presents Recode Decode, coming to you from the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:44.0	Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Executive Editor of Recode.
0:48.0	You may know me as a big fan of Silicon Valley, although I am only talking about the television show.
0:53.0	But in my spare time, I talk tech, and you're listening to Recode Decode, a podcast about tech to media's key players, big ideas and how they're changing the world we live in.
1:01.0	You can find more episodes of Recode Decode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Play Music, or wherever you listen to your podcast.
1:08.0	Or just visit recode.net slash podcast for more.
1:12.0	Today in the red chair is Ellen Powell, who is the author of the new book Reset, My Fight for Inclusion and Lasting Change.
1:19.0	In 2015, she sued her former employer, the venture capital firm, Kleiner Perkins' Coffield Buyers for Gender Discrimination.
1:26.0	She also worked in business development at Reddit before serving as its interim CEO.
1:31.0	Today, she has a partner at Kapoor Capital and co-founder of the nonprofit diversity organization Project Include.
1:37.0	I have interviewed Ellen many times before. We covered the trial, and I've known her for a very long time. Ellen, welcome to Recode Decode.
1:43.0	Thank you for having me.
1:44.0	No problem. You've been on a tear. You've been sort of everywhere.
1:46.0	It's Ellen Powell. This book is getting a lot of attention.
1:49.0	That's been good. It's been great. And also, it's been calling attention to the issues.
1:52.0	Which is now, of course, it's perfect timing, or good timing for bad things or whatever.
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