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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of Reco. You may know me as someone who knows everything about every type of building where horses are kept.

In other words, I'm a varied, stable genius. Oh my god, Eric, that is the worst.

But in my spare time, I'm just a reporter and you're listening to Reco decode, a podcast about power change and the people you need to know around tech and well beyond.

We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today in the red chairs are two of my favorite reporters, Carol Lenick and Phil Rucker, two reporters from the Washington Post, where Carol is the national investigative reporter and Phil is the White House bureau chief.

There are also the authors of a new book called A Very Stable Genius, Donald J. Trump's Testing of America. You have to have heard of it.

This is like the hottest book right now in politics. Carol and Phil, welcome to Reco decode.

Thanks for having us, Cara.

So we're going to talk about a lot of things including like talking about your book, but things have moved swiftly since you wrote your book.

Oh, yeah, which is amazing. Volume six. It's going to be like, remember when it was that like Winston Churchill series? Like this is going to go on.

We'll be the Robert Cara of our generation rating. We'll get him out of office.

Yeah, exactly. So let's talk a little bit about what you guys do. I want to go into, you know, I worked at the Washington Post as a young thing.

And I love the paper. I love the paper. I have a lot of affection for it. Talk about how you got to this book. Both your backgrounds. It's very briefly. Carol, let me start.

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