Welcome to the Anxiety Slayer Podcast, I'm Shan van der Leek, and today I'm speaking with Lopa-Vandermerch, I'm speaking with Lopa van der Murch, Ier Vedic practitioner and founder of

Rasa about reclaiming our precious energy, her journey from cult member to CEO and why aptogenic coffee alternatives help you cope with

stress better. Lopah is an iovatic practitioner, mother, sustainability advocate, and recovering cult member.

Her adventures have taken her around the world in search of health,

spiritual fulfillment, and deep energy.

Two years ago, she added a new chapter to her life story

as founder and CEO of Rossa,

the Aptogenic coffee alternative Alternative revolutionizing people's relationship to their energy.

Welcome to Anxiety Slayer Lopa.

Thank you so much, Shannon.

It's great to be here. I love to everyone listening.

I'm so grateful that your team reached out to us because there's many things I'd like to talk with you about today that I think will be helpful. But I do think that we probably

need to start with what it's like to be thriving in your life on the other side of the cult you were once a member of and how that experience

and recovery led you to becoming an Ayur Vedic practitioner and then some.

Yeah, it's, it is definitely a night and day kind of experience for, for sure.

It feels, you know, when I was in the cult environment and in the

recovery, the years of recovery afterwards and all the CPSD that came from that and I couldn't have quite imagined thriving to the level that I am now.

You could have told me and I would have said like, but what does it feel like?

You know, it just felt, you know, that would have felt like but what does it feel like you know just felt you know that

that would have felt very foreign to my system right then because there was just

such a pervasive experience of anxiety that I had was so

pervasive that I didn't even question that that was my normal,

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