And the Hey everyone is Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Carl Truman.

Very recently I was talking with my son Spencer Clave and no relation we were forming our

sub-stack the new Jerusalem and one of the questions I asked him is can we think of any intellectuals who are alive, whom we really respect.

And instantaneously, simultaneously, we both said Carl Truman, followed by an embarrassing

long silence before we could

think of anybody else although we did eventually come up with a couple of others and

Carl Truman is teaches at Grove City College he's a fellow at ethics and

Public Policy Center, and an ordained

Presbyterian minister, but he wrote a book called a wonderful, wonderful book

called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. I interviewed him when that book came out and as you know if you've been

following my show I've been thinking about a lot about where we're going where the what the future is going to look like

and one of the things that seems to me happening is we seem to be going through a period of real sexual

confusion in many, many ways.

And Carl traces a lot of where that came from philosophically in the rise in triumph of the modern self, so I thought

he would be a good person to talk to about where we go from here and maybe how we get back

to some more sane version of sexuality and sexuality in terms of religion.

But I didn't realize when I asked him that, in fact,

I didn't realize until I started to prepare for the interview yesterday

was that he's already written a book that looks forward to a better world with the church, a better relationship

with the church called Crisis of Confidence, restoring the historic faith in a culture consumed

with individualism and identity.

I only had a chance to dip into it, so we're going to find out together what he's talking

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