I'm your host John Harris. For the last two days,

we've had Andy Perkins on the podcast to talk about his new book, Dangerous Affirmations.

And I think we had a good discussion and one of the things if you listened I asked him at the end was what do you think about Sam

Albury because Sam Albury is probably the top name I hear from other Christians who want to navigate this

issue of homosexuality as a resource that's being recommended to them.

So he's going to speak at our church or my pastor recommended him.

I know he actually came when I was living in Lynchburg, he came to Lynchburg during that time. I think I might have been on a small trip the day he came, but it was a church in town which of course a church that presented itself as conservative in everything and so people

wouldn't have thought anything different. They would have thought he's giving a

really orthodox view of this, this is the Christian understanding, he's going to

help us navigate this. I remember even when I was in

school there was a classmate who really wanted to get into apologetics and if in

case you don't listen regularly I just had an episode recently where I talked about this and I said look the apologetics community if you want to call it that. It almost functions like its own denomination, but they've really fumbled with this whole social justice issue including

homosexuality like they've really fumbled they they really want to keep talking

about atheism and other things but this is one of the areas where it's just

obvious to me that they become a, when they're you know a strong lion when it comes to

atheism they become a little bitty farm cat when it comes to

issues like homosexuality where they want to have this like well we'll proclaim the truth technically but we also want to carve out some kind of an exception or some kind of a category where someone can technically be gay or same sex attracted or whatever term you want to

put there but they have some kind of a there's a difference in their temptations

affections, desires in that it's okay to some extent.

They want to carve out something there.

And that's what I've seen when the topic when the topic is even addressed because oftentimes it's just avoided but you can avoid it anymore and so Sam Albury I think is one of these guys that he at least talks about it right that I mean his whole

ministry seems to be crafted around this now and that might not even be his

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