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Hi, it's Elise Loonan, host of Pulling the Thread.

Today I'm talking to the hilarious Jen Hatmaker who has a new memoir out that I'm obsessed with.

Every week on Talk Easy with Sam Fregoso, I'm Sam, by the way, I invite an actor, author,

or filmmaker to come to the table and speak from the heart. In ways you probably haven't

heard them on the record before. Some of my favorites are with Tom Hanks, Margaret Atwood,

and Paid the Roe Pascal. In recent weeks, I sat with Joaquin Phoenix, Mikey Madison, and

Jesse Eisenberg, and only two of them gave me a panic attack.

New episodes come out every Sunday morning, wherever you get your podcast.

Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shunker.

I host a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans that combines behavioral science and storytelling to help us navigate

the big changes in our lives. I get so choked up because I feel like your show and the

conversations are what the world needs, encouraging, empowering counter-programming that acts like a

lighthouse when the world feels dark.

Listen to a slight change of plans wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, it's Elise Lunan host of Pulling the Thread.

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

Here is today's guest, Jen Hatmaker, in typical Jen Hatmaker fashion, talking about how she was about to be canceled.

I was at that crossroads where I was either going to be able to hang on to my career as I knew

it or my integrity, but not both.

And so I couldn't go another day.

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