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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Rebecca Traister: Women's rage is transforming America

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.5 • 11.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2018

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Why did Christine Blasey Ford have to smile and politely ask for breaks while Brett Kavanaugh could rage at the cameras and dismiss the hearings as a farce? The answer is in Rebecca Traister’s essential, perfectly timed new book, Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger. It’s a book, Traister writes, about how anger works for men in ways it doesn’t for women. I happened to read it the weekend before the Kavanaugh/Ford hearings, and it was eerily prescient: The book was essential to understanding not only what I was seeing at the hearings but, as importantly, what I wasn’t seeing. My conversation with Traister is about those hearings, but about much more too: When is anger constructive and important? Can it tie us together, rather than just pulling us apart? How is the #MeToo movement navigating the fact that sometimes the people it’s angry about are also the people it loves — that our bad guys are also our good guys, as Traister puts it? And what does it mean to see each other in our full humanity, including in our angry humanity? Recommended books and essays: Intercourse by Andrea Dworkin The Uses of Anger by Audre Lorde The Power by Naomi Alderman  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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When we work together, impossible things aren't so impossible.

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In fact, they become possible.

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That's why 75% of Fortune 500 companies work together

0:12.0

using Atlassian software like JIRA, Confluence and Trello

0:15.0

to tackle their biggest challenges.

0:17.0

With a little imagination and a whole lot of collaboration,

0:21.0

the possibilities really do become endless.

0:25.0

Atlassian for projects impossible alone.

0:30.0

Powerful white men can use self-righteous anger

0:34.0

on their own behalf to get the result they want.

0:38.0

For women, the understanding is that if you use anger on your own behalf,

0:43.0

it will hurt your ability to make the case for yourself.

0:47.0

Hello, welcome to the Clanchon on the Box Media Podcast Network.

0:53.0

My guest today is Rebecca Tracer.

0:55.0

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on intro here,

0:57.0

because this is a great conversation I just want to get to it.

1:00.0

Rebecca is one of my favorite writers.

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Her new book Good in Mad at the Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger

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is unbelievably timed.

1:07.0

And it is a center of the world.

1:09.0

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on intro here because

1:12.0

this is a great conversation.

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