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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Jose Antonio Vargas on living undocumented in Trump’s America

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2018

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Jose Antonio Vargas was born in the Philippines in 1981. When he was 12, his mother sent him to America, to live with family. When he was 16, he went to the DMV to get a driver's license and found out his green card was forged; he was an undocumented immigrant. Vargas went on to be a decorated journalist, winning a Pulitzer as part of the Washington Post team covering the Virginia Tech shootings. He profiled Mark Zuckerberg for the New Yorker and led a technology vertical at the Huffington Post. But he lived in fear of his secret, of the fragile foundation upon which he'd built his life. So he did something few would have the courage to do: He told the world himself. In his new book, Dear America: Notes of an Undocumented Citizen, Vargas details what happened both before and after his confession. "This book is about constantly hiding from the government and, in the process, hiding from ourselves," he writes. "This book is about what it means to not have a home.” Vargas has spent the better part of the last decade doing something no one should have to do: asking people to see him as a human, not a category; asking the country he lives in to decide what it wants to do with him, or what it wants from him. It is a testament to how strange and broken our system is, how uncertain our values are, that it has refused to give him an answer. Immigration politics is at the core of Trumpism, which means it’s at the core of our politics right now. But the stories of actual immigrants aren’t. In this raw conversation, Vargas and I discuss his life, how being undocumented changes not just your path but your psyche, and what Vargas wants to say to those who see him as the problem they elected this president to fix. Recommended books: The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin There There by Tommy Orange America Is Not the Heart by Elaine Castillo  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I had so internalized this idea that I needed to earn my space.

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I had diluted myself into thinking that you work hard enough, you do enough,

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you make enough money, you become successful, all of that would happen.

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But guess what?

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I did it.

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And that home, which is something I thought I had to earn, was actually something that I have a right to.

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Hello, I'm Mr. Clangel, the Box Media Podcast Network.

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My guest did it, someone I've known for quite a while now, Jose Antonio Vargas, author of the America Notes of an Indocumented Citizen.

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I originally knew Jose a bit as a journalist, we overlapped or maybe we didn't quite overlap,

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