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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 209 of the Criminology podcast on Mike Ferguson.

And this is Mike Morford. Mr. Morford, man, how are you? I'm good. I just got unpacked in my new home and got everything organized or suddenly organized and now I'm just sort of getting back into the groove of working. How about you?

Well, let's talk about that for a minute. Getting a new house, that's great. The packing, the moving, not so great. That's something that I don't look forward to.

A lot of times my wife and I think about moving and then every time we think about what's involved, we say, nah, that's not worth it to us.

Yeah, and our family were the type of people that move like every 20 years. So hopefully this is it for moving for a while.

That would be good. That would be good. Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Catherine Kinnop, Amanda Cannon, Dory Young and Kimberly Dicer.

So that's a lot of great new support. We really appreciate it.

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You know, more before we jump into this episode, there's been some pretty incredible true crime news that has come out in the past few weeks.

I think the first one that caught my eye was around the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders, which is an episode that we did a case that we covered.

You know that gene Lee Roy Hart, I think from most people has been the prime suspect for many, many years, but them coming out saying that, you know, they've matched the DNA and this and that.

You know, to me is a big deal.

Yeah, I think it really the DNA evidence. It just goes to show that years later, even after a suspect is dead that DNA will tell the truth.

And I think like you just said a lot of people have long believed he's been the killer in that case. I know I did.

And hopefully this can give the family some kind of peace and knowing for sure once and for all.

And I do think when you're talking about unsolved cases, those ones where there is a very viable prime suspect.

Police believe the public believes, but there's just not enough evidence to move forward with a charge, a trial, a conviction.

Those are some of the most frustrating to me.

It's almost like you know the outcome or you know the truth or you know who was involved, but there's just nothing there to prove it.

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