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On Point | Podcast

Reality wars: Deepfakes and national security

On Point | Podcast

WBUR

Talk Show, Daily News, News, Npr, On Point, Daily

4.23.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

A prominent Kremlin critic says the Russian government invited him to a Zoom call that turned out to be a deepfake. But what happens when governments start using deep fakes against each other?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Bill Browder was in London, watching helplessly.

0:05.7

It was late 2008.

0:07.5

His friend and lawyer, 37-year-old Sergei Magnitsky, had been arrested and thrown into Moscow's

0:14.1

boutierka prison.

0:42.3

This is Browder telling the story to the independent media company London Real.

0:47.3

Up until 2005, Bill Browder had been a hedge fund manager, who worked in Moscow and was

0:53.4

among the largest private investors in all of Russia.

0:57.8

But then, his lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, had found evidence implicating Russian officials

1:03.6

in massive corruption and also implicated them in having connections with the Russian mafia.

1:10.7

Magnitsky was jailed, held for more than 350 days without trial and killed.

1:18.2

Cause of death, blunt trauma to the head.

1:21.2

When he died, when they killed him, it was so far outside of my own expectations of

1:26.8

the worst-case scenario.

1:27.8

I couldn't even process it.

1:29.8

It was just so horrible.

1:31.8

Well, I processed it the only way I knew how, which was to take responsibility to go after

1:39.9

the people that killed him.

1:42.0

Bill Browder pushed hard.

1:44.0

He has constantly advocated for sanctions against Russia.

1:47.8

And in 2012, he was instrumental in Congress's passing of the Magnitsky Act, which bars

1:53.5

Russian human rights abusers from entering the United States.

1:57.8

Browder is also one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's most-forthful critics.

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