You think you've seen tough?

Try running a prison built to hold 700 women back in the 1950s, which now holds over 2,000 prisoners.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SCS Nation?

Welcome to Survive and Survivor.

This is the show that brings you the very best guest in all of true crime.

Part one of our deep dive into the Florida Department of Corrections, specifically Lowell, which is the women's,

the main women's prison here in the great state of Florida. We heard from some women who

live, studied, and survived even Lowell Correctional Institution tonight in part two. We're hearing

from the man on the inside. John DeBelle, he spent 22 years working at Lowell,

35 years in the Florida Department of Corrections.

He has seen the system evolve from overcrowded chaos to political controversy,

and he is helping pull back the curtain on all that is going on at Lowell

and some of these other correctional facilities in the Sunshine State.

Welcome to John DeBelle.

There he is.

How you doing, John?

Good evening.

How are you?

Doing well.

Let's just get right into it, man.

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