Hey everybody, it's Brian. Before I did this Seahawks stuff full time, I worked as a manager and senior

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He specialized in working with CEOs and business owners, and you can get a complimentary free

discovery session to see if it's a good fit for you. Just go to Ryancleveland.com to another episode of Real Hawk Talk. I am Brian Mhouser, and it is a Wednesday evening. We have not done of Real Hawk Talk. I am Brian Nemhauser and it is a Wednesday evening. We have not done a real Hawk Talk and it seems like a very long time. And we've kind of had a unspoken, semi-spoken rule on Real Hawk Talk. If we don't have anything that we want to get together to talk about, then we're just not going to do it. Like we're not going to force it. We're not going to try to just make content for the sake of making content. I mean, there's people that do like daily Seahawk content. Those people are idiots. I mean, losers. Losers, posers, idiots, right? But the real Hawk Talk crew, we get together when we really actually want to see each other and hang out. And I am super happy to be with my two good pals,

Evan Hill at Evan Hill HB and Jeff Simmons at Real Jeff Simmons. How are you boys doing

tonight? You've been icing me out of the podcast. I'm just glad to make coming back and

fighting fighting for scraps and somehow got a spot tonight for the audience who doesn't know, Brian tries to ice me out at any chance he gets.

And I'm begging to come on typically.

And 99% of the time it's a no.

Jeff, how old is Evan?

Is he like, is he like 38, 39, something like that?

He's 30 going on 50.

Is he old enough to where he can use hungover as a excuse for not coming on a show the following evening?

Not you, Evan.

I'm not asking you.

This is a question for Jeff.

What your turn?

You know, once you turn 30, I was watching a podcast recently, and they were doing a fantasy

draft on things that suck once you turn 30.

And the number one pick in the fantasy draft was hangovers.

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