Reagan Rolls Over

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

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🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Former Sen. Phil Gramm joins Jonah Goldberg to discuss his new book, The Triumph of Economic Freedom: Debunking the Seven Great Myths of American Capitalism. Phil and Jonah reminisce on the triumphs of the Industrial Revolution, better days in Congress, and Ronald Reagan’s disdain for protectionism. Show Notes:—Order Sen. Gramm’s book, The Triumph of Economic Freedom: Debunking the Seven Great Myths of American Capitalism The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen,
0:04.0	Can I please have your attention?
0:18.0	Can you digger?
0:27.6	Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you
0:31.2	by the dispatch and dispatch media.
0:33.6	We have a first time guest today, and literally one of my favorite politicians of the last 40 years.
0:41.4	We don't have a lot of politicians on here.
0:43.9	And one of the reasons we don't is because most politicians lie and most politicians want to get reelected.
0:51.2	So it's better to have them when they're done seeking office and when they've
0:54.5	written a good book or co-written a good book. So Phil Graham, I'm not going to give you his whole
0:59.5	resume, but he was a senator. He was a congressman. He has a PhD in economics. He's a colleague
1:05.0	of mine at the American Enterprise Institute. And he and Don Boudreau, who's one of my other
1:10.7	favorite economists, have a new book coming out. It's called
1:13.6	The Triumph of Economic Freedom, Debunking the Seven Great Myths of American Capitalism.
1:19.7	Senator Graham, Dr. Graham, Phil Graham, welcome to The Remnant. Thank you, John. I always enjoy your
1:26.2	programs today and everything you write and say. So it's a big
1:31.1	deal for me to be on this program. Oh, well, I appreciate it. And I should say just because it's
1:36.6	the virtue of being true, and I feel like I should say it, you practice the same, you followed the
1:43.3	same advice I did and married up. and you have an absolutely lovely wife.
1:47.2	So we'll start as we always do on here with authors.
1:51.1	What's your book about?
1:52.2	My book is about why people hold very different opinions in terms of the role of government in a free society. Thomas Jefferson
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