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We are gearing up for the last and final debate between incumbent president Donald Trump and

challenger, former vice president Joe Biden. This is bound to be a scintillating matchup. The two

statesmen are expected to discuss critical race theory in its relationship with the positivist

Christian doctrine that animated the civil rights movement, which is more effective. India's extraordinary

progress in clean energy and whether that might be a model for decarbonization in America. Of course

they're going to have to touch on responsible data governance in the United States. And finally

the topic on everybody's lips. Indonesia at a crossroads. By the way, I always choose Indonesia at

a crossroads because it's always the cover of foreign affairs on the sipsons. Anyway, it's no

doubt going to be an area-dite dignified, frank and friendly exchange of views. Oh, who am I kidding?

The debate tonight, one person is going to say, oh, hello, I look like a president and a regular

old person. And the other one is going to say, Google, gobble, eep, orp. And then it will be over.

My guess today is Carlos Lozada. He is the nonfiction book critic for the Washington Post,

a winner of the Pulitzer Prize, and the author of What Were We Thinking, a brief intellectual

history of the Trump era. Of course, Carlos and I are going to be talking about Indonesia at a crossroads.

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