Hello Trump Inc listeners, it's Andrea Bernstein. I'm on a plane. I'm on a tour for my book,

American Oligarchs, The Kushners, The Trumps, and the Marriage of Money and Power. And during

this tour, Anna Sale, who's the host of the WNYC Studios podcast, Death Sex Money, interviewed

me in front of a sold out crowd at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. And we thought you'd be

interested in this conversation, which tells a little bit about how we do what we do. Here goes.

Hi, I am Anna Sale. I host the podcast, Death Sex and Money, from WNYC Studios. And we say it's

the show about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more. I am Andrea's colleague

at WNYC. We're colleagues. Yes. Andrea co-hosts the Trump Inc podcast, which I've not heard. It's

incredible. And she's, of course, the author of the New York Times bestselling book, American Oligarchs.

And that's what we're going to talk about this evening. When Andrea was getting ready to send

the book out into the world, she called me and she said, Anna, there's a lot of Death Sex and Money

in here. We've got to talk about it. There is. That's what we're going to do this evening. But I want to

start Andrea to hear about your process. Andrea used to be my editor in the WNYC Newsroom when we

were covering politics together. And as I was reading this book, I was thinking how has she managed

to put together a story in a way that I've never thought about before, about two families that

have been so thoroughly reported on and investigated, not just by the political press corps, but by

Robert Mueller, by US attorneys, by the tabloid press. And I came away sort of not just understanding

these families in a new way, but also understanding the American moment that we're in in a really

deeper way. So Andrea, when you were thinking about this book, what was the framing that you wanted

to start with? What did you feel like was the piece that was missing? And then where did you start

the reporting to do that? So it is a multi-generational saga. And I wanted to write it as a multi-generational

family story, which is the basis of obviously a lot of fiction narratives and is it really

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