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Trump, Inc.

An Intimate Dinner with President Trump

Trump, Inc.

WNYC Studios

Don, Trump, News, Business, Jared, Ivanka, Jr, Politics, Business News, Government, Eric

4.65.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2020

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman have attained notoriety for their parts in the Ukraine mess. They’re both Soviet-born U.S. citizens who worked closely with the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, serving as emissaries in the campaign to oust then-U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and press Ukraine’s government to investigate Joe Biden’s son.  But Parnas and Fruman also exemplify the shattering of norms when it comes to the influence of big money in politics during the administration of President Donald Trump. “Parnas and Fruman are not the first people that we've seen fit this mold of someone with deep foreign connections, who's never given campaign contributions before, suddenly starts giving large amounts of political contributions and then shows up at exclusive events,” said Robert Maguire, the research director at Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW. But he says they can be a model for what to look for: political newcomers suddenly making big donations, often using an LLC to obscure their identity. Parnas and Fruman now face federal criminal charges for, among other things, allegedly funneling foreign money into U.S. elections and trying to hide its source. (They’ve pleaded not guilty.) The law is clear on this: “At the most basic level, one is not allowed to solicit, accept, or receive any foreign money in connection with a US election at the state, federal, or local level,” said Ellen Weintraub, a member of the Federal Election Commission. In practice, though, it’s perhaps easier than ever for foreign money to enter the American political system undetected. Learn more about how you can dig into campaign finance documents yourself with our new Reporting Recipe. Read about how watchdogs identified Parnas and Fruman’s suspicious campaign contributions at ProPublica. An earlier version of this story incorrectly identified FEC vice-chair Steven Walther as a Republican; he is an independent.

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0:00.0

April 30th 2018. It's a small gathering in a private dining room in the

0:13.4

Trump International Hotel in Washington. It's a collection of mostly wealthy

0:20.9

well-connected people. They've pledged financial support for a group that's

0:25.2

promoting Trump's reelection. People take their seats. Drinks are poured, dinner is

0:37.8

served. The phone that's recording all of this must be pretty close to the

0:42.6

president. Trump talks about what he wants to talk about. Golf, politics, the

0:50.9

intersection of golf and politics. And a lot of the guests here want things from

1:01.5

the president. One guy who says he's in the steel business is talking steel

1:07.9

tariffs. Another guy wants a new highway for his self-driving vehicles. Someone

1:16.8

else suggests holding a summit with North Korea in this brand new city in

1:21.3

South Korea that they have a stake in. A lot of the people at this dinner are

1:28.2

regulars at this kind of event. Established business executives who give big

1:32.7

to politicians and political causes. But two of the guests are basically newcomers,

1:38.3

Igor Frumen and Lev Parnas. Parnas and Frumen, yeah, those guys. They're two

1:51.6

entrepreneurs who say they're purchasing an energy company in Ukraine. Frumen is

1:57.1

mostly quiet. Parnas is the chatty one. You can hear him over and over again

2:01.4

laughing at every joke the president makes. Both men are Americans who are

2:15.2

born in the Soviet Union. They still do business in that part of the world.

2:18.9

They're telling the president about a deal they're working in Ukraine.

2:31.4

Ukraine has oil? How come they don't have any money? Trump's genuine surprise is

2:41.9

just part of this bigger mind-bending moment. Here is the president of the

2:47.1

United States on his best behavior, taking suggestions from people who've made

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