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Hello and welcome to coffee house shops I'm Lucy done and today I'm joined from reform conference by James Heel and Tim Shippman

Life comes at you quick James last week you recorded a podcast about just how much of an icon Angela is. And just now we're hearing that Angela has resigned after receiving the results of the ethics probe into her tax affairs. How did we get here? Well, I think the key point was earlier in this week when she came out and admitted she hadn't paid enough in tax. Up and to that point, I think there were still lots of Labour MPs willing to go out and defend her. There was the sense that perhaps, you know, had she been someone who was the victim of circumstance, but at that point she held her hands up. And of course, Angela Rainer was someone really who is Labor's perhaps best front-bunched pugilist, someone who's made her name from attacking the Tories, most notably Nadim Sahawi and Jeremy Hunt over their masses of attacks.

It really is, you know, one person I spoke to the party who said to me, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. And so as a result of that, we've had two days of speculation. She's been referred to the independent ethics advisor Solori Magnus. And now from the early reports we're getting is that he suggested that there was a breach of the ministerial code. Of course, And Jorana, in opposition,

was someone keen to beef up the ministerial code, make a breach of that code a resignation offence. And so she's now resigned. She resigned from all three of her roles, which are deputy prime minister, deputy party leader, and the MCHLG brief as well. So what we're going to see now presumably is a replacement

for that role of Ministry of Housing, Communities and local government.

And then, of course, the question then becomes about the deputy leadership. Will there be a contest? Who might get it? And how much the problem will there be for Kirstama? Because at the moment, Angela Rainer-Tromp has been to diffuse tensions with the left, but what about someone who gets elected who may sort of give voice to those in government

and how much a problem could that be for number 10?

Yeah, Tim, I mean on that point I actually was speaking to some Labour people this week who were particularly worried that if Angela went as deputy leader of the Labour Party, that a new more left-wing politician can move into that slot. So, you know, what do you think could be the problems for Labour moving forward?

Well, look, I mean, as James observes, that the Deputy Leader of the Party is an elected position.

Someone said to me earlier this week, what if Diane Abbott runs and wins?

What's that going to look like?

Now, technically speaking, Kirstama wouldn't need to make the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party the Deputy Prime Minister.

It's entirely possible we don't have a deputy prime minister going forward.

It's a sort of titular role that's tossed around when it's helpful to do so.

But you don't have to have one.

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