Hello, everyone. I want to be sure to take a few moments to encourage everyone to allow themselves some good self-care

and to be able to take a break during the holiday season and as we lead into the new year.

No matter your religious background or no religion at all or your family situation, these next few weeks

can be very stressful. And that is true, actually, for everyone for a variety of reasons.

And I want to make sure that we all collectively take a step back and that you give yourself

that break whenever possible in whatever ways you can.

So to follow my own advice, my team and I are going to be taking a short break to

rejuvenate ourselves and to make plans for all of the

amazing shows that we have coming up for you in the new year that we're very excited about.

Enjoy these re-releases and regular episodes will resume on January 7th. Enjoy the episode and take good care.

Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from

systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

Hi, everyone.

Please go to patreon.com slash indoctrination to become a supporter of the show.

I'm really excited about all of the things that we now are providing for you to thank you for your support. There are some wonderful bonus episodes

and some of the guests have come back just to do them for you. And some new guests have come to

do special bonus episodes for you. Today, I'm very excited to have Pamela Jackson on. She is a licensed clinical social

worker, Nelsiw, and a creative nonfiction writer. She specializes in therapy for adult women

who have estranged or difficult relationships with their mothers.

After leaving the ICOC cult, the International Church of Christ, Pamela attempted to repair her relationship with her mother,

one of the main reasons she was vulnerable to the love bombing and manipulation of the ICOC.

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