RE-AIR: Conversations: When Ovid Invented Pick-up Artistry, the Ars Amatoria w/ Imogen Briscoe

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Liv Albert

History, Comedy, Arts

4.8 • 5.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 February 2025

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Summary

This episode originally aired in February 2024. Liv is joined by Imogen Briscoe to talk Ovid's Ars Amatoria, the Art of Love, aka the first pick up artist playbook. Did Ovid create the 2000 years of misogyny we've had since? Nope, but he sure made it worse with this one! Read more from Imogen on Twitter and at the Ekklesia Magazine. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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0:00.0	Oh, hi, hello, and welcome to another episode of Let's Talk About Mits, Baby,
0:29.4	the show that examines how utterly garbage some men of the ancient world were.
0:35.7	I'm your host, Liv, she who is bound to hear not all men, at least once after
0:40.8	this episode airs. We'll see. Maybe I'll keep a tally. Well, as if that didn't set it up well enough.
0:46.8	I am here with a conversation with Imogen Briscoe, a PhD student studying Ovid's quote-unquote
0:53.0	love poetry.
0:56.2	Most of which is, I mean, we'll get into it.
0:59.8	But a couple of years ago, maybe it was like only last year.
1:02.5	I don't even remember.
1:03.4	Anyway, I covered some of Ovid's, ours amatoria, on the show, because it is absolutely
1:08.6	batshit fucking bananas.
1:09.8	It is misogyny in a text. It is literally
1:12.8	the original handbook to modern pickup artistry. It is wild. And so when I heard from Imogen
1:19.3	pitching, this as a topic for a conversation, I nearly lost my mind with excitement. We recorded
1:24.9	it a while ago, as you will hear, for reasons. And I was just so thrilled
1:29.8	that aired around Valentine's Day. Because apparently I'm fun for Valentine's Day.
1:36.8	It's exactly as good as I expected it to, this conversation. Plus, I got ranty, so it's long enough
1:41.9	without me dragging out the introduction. Just know, well, like, big trigger warnings, because for real, it's gross and entertaining, but gross.
1:50.2	There's talk about how men can best convince women to have sex with them or worse, you know, force them.
1:55.7	And it's so, it's much more in that realm than the former.
2:00.8	Yeah, so it is, it is very dark. It is pick up artist that realm than the former. Yeah, so it is very dark.
2:02.9	It is pick up artistry from the ancient world.
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