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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: “The Next First Day of the Rest of Our Lives” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast

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Diplomacy, International Relations, Current Events, Government, Politics, Intelligence, Law, Rule Of Law, Military, Constitutional Law, History, National Security, News, International Law, Foreign Policy, Terrorism

4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues and hosts emeriti Benjamin Wittes, Quinta Jurecic, and Alan Rozenshtein to talk through the week’s big—and we mean BIG—national security news, including:

  • “Executive Disorder.” America’s once-and-future President Donald Trump hit the ground running, issuing dozens of executive actions on his first afternoon in office, from once again withdrawing from the Paris climate agreement to pardoning or commuting the sentences for almost everyone involved in the Jan. 6 insurrection. But which actions are important and which are just for the show? And what do they tell us about what to expect from a second Trump presidency?
  • “Swiping Up on Consistency.” The Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the law banning TikTok triggered an unexpected crisis last week, as TikTok users who suddenly realized the platform was in danger apparently mounted a pressure campaign against elected officials that led several, including President Biden, to waffle on the desirability of the ban. But incoming President Donald Trump, who once tried to ban TikTok himself, jumped in with an order temporarily delaying the ban—a move that TikTok thanked him for by name in a notice on the platform after service was restored. What explains the sudden about-face among supporters of the TikTok ban?
  • “Cease and Assist.” After more than a year of brutal hostilities, the parties have finally agreed to a ceasefire in the conflict over Gaza. But as Israeli hostages are gradually let free, humanitarian assistance resumes, and displaced Gazans return to their devastated neighborhoods, real questions remain. Is this just a pause or an end to the conflict? And what comes next in Gaza either way? 

In object lessons, Ben encouraged listeners to listen to Merrick Garland’s farewell speech to the Justice Department, regardless of how you feel about the former attorney general. Quinta embraced a sense of escapism with her praise of the Wallace & Gromit movies, particularly the newest addition to the franchise, Wallace & Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl. And Scott—wondering what will become of us now—mustered up his best inner disgruntled, middle-aged Millennial voice to recommend Michael Longfellow’s plea to not ban TikTok from SNL’s Weekend Update.

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Craig's never shown an interest in beekeeping before, but that's the sound of him buying

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2,000 worker bees rather

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You know, I have to say, for January 21st, 2025, you both look moderately well-rested.

1:04.2

Like maybe we slept a little bit last night, which is not entirely what I was expecting.

1:09.0

You know, I am committed to doing it differently this time.

1:13.4

I told everybody at 9 o'clock last night, stop working. Everything else can wait till

1:20.1

tomorrow morning. Tonight, I'm taking Catherine Pompellio, our esteemed associate editor,

1:26.0

out for dinner, and then I'm going to do some grocery shopping

1:30.9

and drive to my cabin in the woods. I'm committed, Scott. I'm not going to let this fucking

1:36.9

thing run my life this time. We're presumably you're going to lock yourself in that cabin

1:42.0

and, you know, defend it to the death for the

1:44.9

next several years. How several people welcome the Biden administration? Handgood shotguns and long guns.

1:50.5

I'm ready. Quinta, how did you choose to welcome our new overlords in the last day or so? I mean, I'm glad that

1:57.2

I look well rested because I don't feel it.

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