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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The "Middle-Aged Dads" Edition

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4.7 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Senior Editor Michael Feinberg and Foreign Policy Editor Dana Stuster for a little chat with the guys about the week’s big national security news stories, including:

  • “Minding Your Bs and Ts.” President Trump arrived in China this week alongside top U.S. officials and business executives for a much-anticipated summit with President Xi Jinping. U.S. diplomats hope the summit will revolve around the “five Bs”—meaning U.S. beef, soybeans, Boeing airplanes, and proposed boards for investment and trade—while Chinese officials want to talk about the “three Ts” of Taiwan, technology, and tariffs. What should our expectations be for the summit? And how much will the Iran war loom over the negotiations?
  • “Crude Awakening.” This past week, negotiations between Iran and the United States appeared to reach a standstill, without any movement on reopening the Strait of Hormuz or restoring the flow of oil and other goods that have driven crude oil prices to record highs. As each side seems poised to wait out the other, how long can they last before having to capitulate (or escalate)? And what do these dynamics mean for this war of attrition? 
  • “Cartel Blanche.” On Tuesday, CNN reported that the CIA has been conducting a covert campaign of assassinations in Mexico targeting mid-level members of the country’s drug cartels. Despite these reports—and the Trump administration’s longstanding claims that it is at “war” with the cartels—both the Mexican government and CIA have denied any involvement in these operations. What does this say about the Trump administration’s plans for future counter-narcotics operations? And the broader U.S.-Mexico relationship?

In object lessons, Dana stresses that the key to a successful marriage—at least in his case—is a good microphone. Mike stresses that misery loves company, and despite the possible threat to his own marital bliss, contemplates a date night to AFI Silver’s Bleak Week. And Scott stresses that Lawfare does not exist without the support of listeners like you. Please consider contributing to our spring fundraising drive with a personally meaningful gift at lawfaremedia.org/support.

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, Scott R. Anderson here.

0:06.5

As a senior editor with Lawfare, you might know me as the guy always rambling about treaties

0:11.5

and war powers, or perhaps as the host of rational security.

0:15.4

What you might not know is that lawfare has been a part of my life a lot longer than I've

0:19.0

been contributing to it. Before I came to lawfare, I was a national security lawyer, an occasional diplomat working for the government, both here in Washington, D.C. and overseas. They were the sorts of jobs that wrestled with hard national security choices of the type lawfare specializes in, which is why lawfare is one of the first things I opened when I got to my desk each morning. We're from Iran to Venezuela to back here at home. Those questions haven't gotten any easier. Policymakers,

0:41.7

journalists, and citizens all need the sort of deep, nonpartisan expertise lawfare specializes

0:46.4

in, now more than ever. Lawfare is also a non-profit, meaning we're committed to keeping

0:51.3

all of our core content from getting put behind a paywall.

0:58.0

But we can't do it without help from the people who read and listen to us, people like you.

1:03.0

So if you can, visit lawfaremedia.org slash support and join our community of supporters.

1:16.0

Just $10 a month will make a world a difference in helping us keep lawfare free to everyone for a long time to come. Mike, I have to say, you know, for folks who listen to the podcast, don't watch the video,

1:20.7

they may not be aware that we've gotten to see the gradual evolution of your new home

1:23.8

office since you've relocated.

1:25.9

And I got to say, I'm pretty impressed. You got wooden shelves up. That might be a drop leaf table behind you, I think I'm seeing. And I will say I'm particularly impressed slash a little embarrassed because I've been in my house for six years and still have not really got effectively set up a home office. And yet you've beat me by a half a decade. So congratulations on that front. Well, what you find impressive, my wife finds

1:45.4

infuriating because this is the room I set up first before our baby. And I don't think our listeners

1:53.1

or viewers could tell, but these books are pretty fastidiously organized. I have a series of

1:59.4

photographs of my bookshelves for every time I move, which I used to do

2:04.1

fairly frequently because, for example, with fiction, I organize it chronologically by date of the

2:10.3

author's birth. Most movers are not sympathetic to that and willing to box off the book

2:16.3

and make sure that Milton is in the right

2:19.2

place vis-a-vis Gerta, you know, vis-a-vis antiquarians. You know, this is where my overly

2:26.7

organizational tendencies reveal themselves in the most obnoxious, pretentious way possible.

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