Rational Security: The “Catch More Flies with Shugerman” Edition
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 23 April 2023
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
This week on Rational Security, Alan, Quinta, and Scott were joined by law professor extraordinaire Jed Shugerman to talk over his controversial take on the New York district attorney's case against former President Trump, among other items in the week's national security news, including:
- “If You Come at the King, You Best Not Whiff.” Former President Trump’s indictment on 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree under New York state law earlier this month has triggered a firestorm of controversy, with several commentators accusing New York district attorney Alvin Bragg of advancing a weak or flawed case. What should we make of Bragg’s case based on what we know so far? And what more information should we be looking for?
- “Factual Malice.” Fox News has settled the defamation lawsuit being pursued against it by Dominion Voting Systems for a record $787.5 million—but without having to make an on-air acknowledgement of its false statements. Does this settlement deal do justice? Should Dominion have proceeded differently?
- “Secret Chinese Agents, Huh?” Federal prosecutors have arrested two individuals in Brooklyn for operating a “secret police station” on behalf of the People’s Republic of China’s internal security forces, aimed at investigating and intimidating dissidents and other disfavored individuals. How should the United States and other governments approach these China-backed presences? Is criminal prosecution the right tool?
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| 1:20.7 | I'm John Emmins, intern at LawFair with an episode of Rational Security for April 23, |
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| 1:26.7 | For today's episode, the team at LawFair decided to crossbows this week's episode of Rational |
| 1:30.4 | Security to catch more flies with Sugarman Edition. |
| 1:33.7 | In the episode, post Scott R. Anderson, Quintet Jurassic, and Alan Rosenstein were joined |
| 1:38.5 | by Ford and Law Professor Jed Sugarman to discuss the week's big national security news |
| 1:42.1 | stories, including the indictment of former President Donald Trump by Manhattan DA Alan |
| 1:46.2 | Bragg, the settlement of Dominion voting systems lawsuit against Fox News, Animal. |
| 1:50.5 | So, Jed, I'm really curious, what was it like when Isaac Chotner called? |
| 2:00.9 | Did your life flash before your eyes? |
| 2:03.7 | Were you terrified? |
| 2:04.7 | I mean, you survived that interview. |
| 2:06.7 | I'm impressed. |
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