I'm Jonathan K. Parton, and this is K-Pub.

For this last episode of Pride Month, I sit down with Rashad Robinson.

He's the president of Color of Change, a civil rights organization that bills itself

as the nation's largest online racial justice organization.

Before that, Robinson was that glad, formerly known as the Gay and Lesbian Alliance against

defamation.

Which makes Robinson an intersectional leader, one with a 360-degree view of the fight

for equity and justice in the United States, and explains why he warns against mistaking

cultural and media presence for actual power.

Presence's visibility, awareness, reach we, shout out from the state, it's not bad.

Presence is good, but far too often we can mistake presence for power, and we can think

we've done something that we haven't actually done.

After more from Rashad Robinson, civil rights leader, you should be paying more attention

to right now.

Rashad Robinson, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me.

I am so glad we are able to do this conversation, one because it's the last possible episode

of Pride Month, but also because of where we are in the country right now.

And if there is one person to talk to about this sort of intersectional moment we're in

right now in our country, you are that person.

So I'm just going to throw out this broad brush question to you and ask you, what would

you say is the state of our union given the perch that you're in right now?

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