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It was really my first time not leaving something I had built,

but forcibly getting kicked out of something and I think the challenge was it was very public.

Everybody kind of started saying, well, did the two white guys who ran into ground were they the founders? A lot of people

didn't even know about Hamey and I, right? They didn't know about two African American founders who came out of tech and

shook up the movie industry. No one had seen a black tech founder media story and so it kind of became a life of its own.

When it became available to buy back I was like I can't let the movie in like that.

You know, we got to write a better ending.

That's Stacy Spikes, co-founder and CEO of Movie Pass, the movie ticket subscription service that had an outsized impact on entertainment culture and then a very public fall and is now back again looking

to revive its relevance.

I'm Bob Safian, former editor of Fast Company, founder of the Flux Group, and host of Masters of Scale Rapid

Response.

I wanted to talk to Stacy because there's a thin line between impassioned founder belief in an idea

and impractical founder delusion. His journey is like an Oscar-worthy script with a

final scene still to be finished. The movie business has changed dramatically

since Stacy originally launched Movie Pass,

but he says the idea behind the company,

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