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This moment, this pause of non-normal, right, is going to be a great opportunity to rethink how

we re-enter the workplace. When can we make a safe return to our offices? Or do we have to wait

this out? When is it going to be okay to go back in the office? And how do we do that?

What's the impact going to be on our operations? Well, how much space should I have?

Does this mean we need less space in our headquarters or our office space?

We see this as an incredible time of transformation that can be scary and very difficult

to thrive and to learn the lessons of health safety, to learn the lessons of social change.

And we will all be stronger and society will be a healthier place all the way around if we can

learn those lessons. That's Diane Hoskins, co-CEO of Gensler, the largest architecture firm in the

US with offices all around the world. As pandemic health concerns have radically upended how we use

and think about our work environment, Gensler has found itself on the front lines of helping

corporate clients from Google to Bank of America grapple with a swarm of new questions about

back-to-work protocols and the long-term future of the office. I'm Bob Safian, former editor of Fast

Company, founder of the Flux Group and host of Master's of Scale, Rapid Response. I wanted to talk

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