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🗓️ 20 February 2022
⏱️ 152 minutes
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A joint episode containing an abridged part 2 of “Fitch, Please” (A&F Deep Dive) as well as listener stories about mall modeling & scams masquerading as magazine classified “modeling schools.” The episode begins with Kate’s windy thoughts about her obsession with malls, magazine editors, models, and related media, and while she draws almost no helpful conclusions, she has plenty of thoughts. This episode also contains snorkels aplenty in between stories about A&F and modeling, from 90s commercial jingles, to Barbies, Kate’s own issues with body image, orange juice conspiracies, and more! There may be a Babysitter’s Club detour? Perhaps not a ‘model’ episode, but a fun one nonetheless. Enjoy! And head to patreon.com/bethereinfive later this week for the cut footage and extra stories.
Works Cited:
https://www.businessinsider.com/abercrombie-and-fitch-is-back-how-af-became-cool-again-2021-4
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/abercrombie-fitch-new-generation/2021/11/22/da33feec-488e-11ec-b05d-3cb9d96eb495_story.html
https://www.thecut.com/2014/02/why-abercrombie-is-losing-its-shirt.html
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0:00.0 | I'm Kate Kennedy, your host. |
0:07.0 | First, I want to say thank you to everybody who was so nice to me about the episode I put out on Sunday. |
0:21.0 | It's a constant back and forth internally, I feel, about capturing my fleeting moments of fragility on air. |
0:34.0 | To be fair, Lili, they've been kind of squatters more than anything. They're less fleeting, but I don't know. |
0:42.0 | Sometimes it's nice to just, you know, as I try to tell other people to be allowed to exist, I so deeply appreciate when you allow me to do the same. |
0:53.0 | I know I can't always produce upstanding content, but every once in a while to tell you what's going on, it's healing and helpful for me, and it's nice to hear from a lot of you that have dealt with similar things. |
1:03.0 | And I thank you for your openness, patience and willingness to come along for the ride as I don't know. I'm just, yeah, I'm an interesting life phase where I don't know what the future holds, but it certainly helps that I'm allowed, you know, this is a safe space where I can be honest, even if it's not always pleasant. |
1:25.0 | And I guess that episode was kind of a mixture of tough things and good things. I at the very end, if you didn't make it through, if you want to hear the excerpt, I maybe start at like an hour and five an hour and 10 minutes. |
1:39.0 | I read an excerpt from the book that I'm writing that was announced on Valentine's Day. |
1:46.0 | It's a collection of essays that is currently untitled, and I speak to why that's like moving for me as a person to who's always over explaining everything. |
1:56.0 | It meant a lot in the absence of like, you know, saw a complete project or a clear and obvious, quippy, focused or title that people are willing to take a chance on my work, whatever it was. |
2:09.0 | And keep you posted about the process. I feel like people usually announce it when there's like a title and cover and, you know, a pre-order link, but not this gal. |
2:19.0 | I just want to tell you right out the gate. This is something I'm working on. I don't know when it'll come out, but I kind of, I don't know, I feel like secret project vibes is frustrating. |
2:30.0 | I'd rather just be forthcoming with you guys about what I'm doing. |
2:34.0 | And yeah, so if you want to hear that I've read an essay that I read it a lot of the live shows that kind of is what made this book happen called limited to limiting beliefs. |
2:42.0 | And I read it at the end of the episode called Superboard. |
2:45.0 | If you want to hear that or check out the Instagram post for more details and strangely, it kind of all relates. |
2:53.0 | Because when I had written that limited to limiting beliefs, essay, like throughout different parts of 2021, like the second half. |
3:05.0 | And then when I was researching an Albuquerque being fidget, like hadn't even occurred to me that Albuquerque being fidget is a product of the limited brands. |
3:14.0 | Because they were bought in 1987, 88, then brought on Mike Jeffries in 92. He, you know, Mike Jeffries is the problematic dude that made it glossy and hyper sexualized and brought on Bruce Weber made it exclusive. |
3:29.0 | And he's the one that had those terrible quotes about the only one market to cool good looking people and it was just like the worst. |
3:35.0 | And it's interesting when you think about in the context of the limited brands, being also responsible for Victoria Secret and the Victoria Secret fashion shows, which I think just terrorized the generation in terms of how just how the, the hyper marketing of the angels, the toll on one self esteem that those standards of beauty, putting that fashion show on like a major. |
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