How's it going guys? Jared Lopes back here with you on the Dad Tired Podcast.

It's good to be with you. Welcome for those of you who are just joining us for the first time if you are.

Come hang out with us on Facebook. We got a closed group of guys over there with

thousands of guys from around the world who are taking their

faith, their family and their marriage very seriously. We'd love to have you come be

part of that. This week I was driving I got stuck in traffic which is classic

Portland. I was stuck in traffic and I turned on Kalove just trying to fill my mind

with good stuff and they're doing their like pledge drive. They were in the middle of

their Kalove pledge drive and man it was brutal listen I've talked about

Caleb a few times on the show and really I love what they're doing man I love that

they are putting songs out there for the glory of Jesus and people are being touched

and encouraged by them.

Seriously, I'm not being facetious when I say that.

I really am genuinely grateful for ministries like them. God is using them in really big ways.

But they're doing one of their I don't know how often they do it but a regular giving drive where they're asking people to give to the ministry and it was just it was painful. It was so painful and I don't know if it's because I'm a millennial or what but just like listening to

people ask for money is so painful and then I had kind of an unrelated

experience I was at my son's baseball practice and one of the parents there

was talking about how they're looking for a

church in the last church they were going to every Sunday they were just they felt like

the ministry was constantly asking for money and it was just like painful for them to be there

because they just felt like it

always somehow got skewed the message got skewed back to having people donate

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