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This is NPR's Life Kit. I'm Maria Godoy. For years, my friend and colleague, Micheline Dukleff, has been telling me

about some cool research that has changed the way I parent my kids. And the result is children

who are much more eager to pitch in and help out around the house. For instance, the other night,

my seven-year-old daughter, Lily, made a potato salad for dinner completely voluntarily, and she even

washed the dishes. Michaeline has now written a parenting book called Hunt Gather Parent. And in this

episode of Life Kit, Michaeline joins me to talk about how to raise helpful and cooperative kids.

Welcome, Michaeline. Hi, Maria. So first, we should say that we're both moms.

Besides Lily, I have a son, Noah, who's almost 11.

And Mike Lean, Rosie, is what now?

Five?

Yeah, she's five.

And we both work on NPR's science tests.

So we always, always want to know what the research says about everything, including parenting,

of course.

Oh, gosh.

You know, Maria, I'm actually trained as a chemist.

So when I became a mom, I was totally into science-based parenting.

But then a few years ago, I stumbled on some research that really shifted how I thought about

parenting.

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