And we are live. I'm excited about this one. This actually came out of a podcast that we did here at TSP a long time ago solo mode.

Where we talked about things schools don't teach our kids that they should and things that we should be teaching them.

And my guest today, Brian Perry and Luke Graham have created something called these 16 things which kind of took that idea, expanded on it, and took it in their own unique direction.

And with that, I want to say, hey guys, welcome to this removal podcast.

Thank you. Thanks for having us.

Yeah, I appreciate it, brother. You inspired us.

Cool, Vant. Well, I will real quick just for public service announcement. You'll see right down there for the audience. It says I'll never contact you for personal information or anything like that in the comments.

I think that speaks for itself. There's been a lot less of it lately, but I want to point out because people have been deceived by that.

Okay, guys, let's start off with, well, first of all, I don't do a lot of two person interviews like three way go.

So you guys have to decide who starts on any given question. I'll leave that up to you guys.

But can we start off with the so before we dig into these 16 things?

Kind of what is y'all's background and how did you guys like find each other as partners in this initiative?

Sure. So I'll start with that background is I am a, I have my own business, painting, pressure washing, things like that and just run in my business.

Have seven kids now and had less when I met Luke originally, but now up to seven kids and I mean, that's kind of, that's me in a nutshell.

How we met was we go to the same church and I was invited to join his men's group at church where he teaches jujitsu actually.

And so I showed up to jujitsu. He started talking to the group about right at that time, they were talking about doing a Spartan race as the men's group at church.

So we all joined with most of us joined the Spartan race drove over to Ohio, we're from Indiana, Indianapolis area and drove over to Ohio, did a Spartan race weekend and really before we even did that weekend.

He talked me into doing more Spartan races before we did the first one.

So we kind of jumped into those and did a few last year and did several more this past year and from there our friendship kind of developed.

So that's how we became friends, just church, men's group, small group and hanging out doing some tough stuff.

So Luke and Brian listen to you meant to me want to be a better man, I'll tell you what.

One of the best things ever happened to Brian was meeting, meeting his wife, not meeting me.

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