Hi, I'm Josie Duffy Rice, and this is the Justice in America book bonus.

I'm here with Radley Belko, he's an opinion journalist at the Washington Post.

Radley, tell us what you're reading right now.

So actually I'm working on a new book about criminal defense, so I've been reading a lot of court-watching

books.

So the one I'm making my way through right now was written over 10 years ago, I think, but it's called Ordinary Injustice by Amy Bach.

The really kind of incredible thing about it is she did some court watching she looked at the state and

the premise of the book is you can probably clean from the title is that we get all these stories about big stories about wrongful convictions and police brutality but it's really the kind of day-to-day injustice the minor cuts and scrapes that really wear people down and become

sort of really burdensome on their ability to live their lives.

She wrote this book and it made a big splash, but nothing has changed. And it's kind of depressing to read that and think that like

we're still here yeah exposure didn't do much well maybe in a couple of

counties that she went to I think things got a little bit marginally better but it didn't

you know you hope kind of like all the podcast going on right now like this one in the

serial podcasts and that educating people about the outrages and the injustices that go on will

ferment change and you know we've seen a lot of that with progressive dAs and so forth but I

think the kind of day-to-day machinery of the system I feel like we still have a

really really long way to go.

Yeah that's a great answer.