Hello everyone. Welcome back to Becoming the People. I'm Prentice Hemphill, and we have a really special episode today.

This is a repeat guest we've had on the podcast before in previous years. It's one of our most sought-after guests. And I would say

one of really the most singular thinkers alive today. We have Bio Kamalafe on the podcast today,

who is a philosopher. He's a poet. He's a trickster, provocateur, and a deeply generous soul,

I'd say. Bayo was born in Nigeria. He lives in India now with his family. He's a public intellectual,

whose work kind of consistently lives on the edges of what we think we know and how we

came to know it. He draws from so many different cosmologies, indigenous cosmologies,

black intellectual, freedom, thought, quantum biology, everything is kind of mixed together and dancing and conversing in bio's work.

He is a writer. He's written several books and one, These Wilds Beyond Our Fences is an incredible

book that I highly recommend. He has a new book out now called Selah, which is an anthology

of his written word that I also

would highly recommend you get out just to get a sampler of all the brilliance that Bio has

brought to us. And in this conversation, I did something that I don't usually do, which is I

unprepared for this conversation with Bio. I got a bunch of questions together,

and then the last moment I threw them all away

because I know that a lot of the power of Bio's work

is not just the ideas or new ideas that come forward in his work,

which there are many.

But it's his ability to invite you into the meandering, the meandering, the dancing on those edges to get a little lost with him in words.

And in that getting lost, unravel something that you thought you knew and how you knew it,

making room for other possibilities, new things that you didn't know existed. So that's what we did

in this conversation. We got a bit lost together. I allowed myself a little more confusion and

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