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I'm a stay friends and welcome. We've had our guest who I'm having a conversation with

here tonight, Kate Johnson here before on this podcast. And I'm like so excited to have

Kate Fagnacate as a teacher and I'm doing my kind of more formal introduction, an author,

a facilitator.

Kate domain is integrating meditation and social justice work and has had many years working

with individuals and organizations. And Kate's a dear friend.

You know, Kate and I close colleagues and friends. We've talked together at meditation retreats

and are very involved together leading this teacher training for mindfulness teachers

with a particular emphasis within that on creating like a super robust leading edge program

and training on diversity, equity, inclusivity and accessibility. So that's like been a big

exciting area we've been working together on. Most immediately I want you to know about

Kate's new book. It's radical friendship. Oh my gosh, it's fresh. It's brilliant. It's

transformational. Please read it. And we're going to be discussing it. So you'll hear a

lot more now over the next little bit of time. So dear one, welcome, Kate. Thank you, Tara.

It's really nice to be with you today. I'm glad. I'm so glad we're doing this. So I'm

going to start in with like this is the most traditional question you've probably already

gotten on every podcast you've ever done recently. And this is, okay, the book's called

radical friendship. And there's a lot of radicals out there now on mea culpa, you know, I

know I've figured it out. And it's a really strong word. So I want to want to hear what

drew you, what started you off really wanting to focus on friendship and how come radical

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