It's unholy. I'm Yunit Levy in Tel Aviv.

And I'm Jonathan Friedland in London. Unholy, two Jews on the news. And we bring you a very special conversation.

Somebody who's been with us on the podcast before. But the particular moment that Israel is in, the Jewish world is in, the timing felt just right for this conversation, just this particular

point of the week, Yoni. Yes, we are in that week in which Israelis move from Yomazikaron Memorial Day

for Fallen Soldiers to Independence Day. It was actually Israel's founding father Ben-Gurion,

who thought that it would be the right thing to do,

to go from that solemn day of remembrance, of remembering all of the fallen soldiers

who fought for this country and protected and defended this country, and then to know the

price of that into while walking into Independence Day. So it is a very holy week on the Israeli secular calendar.

And in that week, as you said, we wanted to bring our listeners a conversation

with someone who has been on this podcast

and has become very special to us.

Rachel Goldberg, Poland is a name known to everyone in the Jewish world and far beyond.

Mother of Hirsch, Goldberg, Poland, tireless advocate for hostage release, Jewish educator.

And now, also author, her book, When We See You Again, is published this week, and we are honored to have

her on a holy again. Rachel, thank you. Thank you for having me. This book is, it's beautiful and it's

heartbreaking and it's full of love. I'm reading one line from it, although everything is so beautiful.

You write, what I realize now, since my heart is shattered

into tiny pieces, is that it is easier to share than when it was one mighty solid and strong

heart. So please take a shard. Be careful. They are sharp. I wonder what you would want the world to

take from this, from this book.

I really was looking to give pieces of my pain to anyone who's willing to hold the tiniest

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