10-minute murder contains depictions of violence that some listeners people with stuff to do.

Someone asked me, what does that even mean, the podcast for people with stuff to do?

Well, it means we all lead pretty busy lives, and most of us like to delve into the true crime world.

We don't have hours a day to do it.

You have stuff to do.

So that's why these are shorter.

I hope that answers your question.

Mom.

My mom didn't ask that.

But she did ask who is Doubledore last weekend.

So that was fun.

Today, we're talking about Rachel Wade and Sarah Ludman.

They didn't like each other. Like, at all, mostly because they were vying for the attention of the same guy.

I'm not a therapist, but I feel like a therapist would tell you,

if you have to fight someone over your man, that's not your man.

Rachel Wade and Sarah Ludman were rivals after the same man, Joshua Camacho.

Joshua is the ex-boyfriend of Sarah, but they still see each other occasionally.

In the first six months of her relationship with him, police were involved six different times.

He had also punched Sarah in the face.

So you can see the story that's being painted here.

He's not a good guy.

In fact, he knows he's not and he enjoys that reputation. Rachel, the current

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