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All There Is with Anderson Cooper

Rachel and Jon Goldberg-Polin: ‘ Grief is a Badge of Love’

All There Is with Anderson Cooper

CNN

Society & Culture

4.810.3K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Rachel and Jon Goldberg-Polin talk with Anderson Cooper about their evolving understanding of grief since the murder of their son Hersh by Hamas after 328 days in captivity. For more of “All There Is with Anderson Cooper” visit cnn.com/allthereis. Host: Anderson Cooper Showrunner: Haley Thomas Producers: Grace Walker, Emily Williams, Madeleine Thompson, Stephen Samaniego Associate Producer: Kyra Dahring Video Editor: Eric Zembrzuski Technical Director: Dan Dzula Bookers: Kerry Rubin and Kari Pricher  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to All There Is. Years ago, I read a book called Man Search for a Meeting by Victor

0:05.6

Frankel, and it's become a really important book for me. It's about his experience in Nazi

0:10.5

concentration camps. It's really a book about survival. Frankl wrote, most men in a concentration

0:17.0

camp believe that the real opportunities of life had passed, Yet in reality, there was an opportunity and a challenge.

0:24.0

One can make a victory of those experiences, turning life into an inner triumph, or one could

0:29.4

ignore the challenge and simply vegetate.

0:32.2

Frankel said that any attempt to restore a man's inner strength in the camp had first to succeed

0:37.1

in showing

0:37.7

him some future goal.

0:39.7

He quoted Frederick Nietzsche's words, he who has a why to live for can bear with almost

0:44.8

any how.

0:46.6

Whenever there was an opportunity for it, Frankel wrote, one had to give them a why and aim for

0:51.2

their lives in order to strengthen them to bear the terrible how of their existence.

0:56.5

We had to learn, he says, ourselves, and furthermore, we had to teach the despairing men that

1:01.9

it did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us.

1:08.5

Now, that book written in 1946 has helped me in millions of people.

1:12.8

It also helped a 23-year-old man named Hirsch Goldberg, Poland, when he was maimed and taken

1:17.6

hostage by Hamas on October 7th. Hirsch was executed 328 days later, but his mom, Rachel, now

1:25.2

carries that book, Man Search for Meaning, Wherever She goes.

1:28.6

She's written a book now about her grief and pain, which is out.

1:32.1

It's called When We See You Again.

1:34.1

I sat down with Rachel and her husband, Hershey's dad, John, several days ago.

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