Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell, an author, speaker, and apologetics professor also

here at Biola University and uniquely for this interview

phoning in from my car because I'm headed to my son's football game.

Sean and I'm here today with Pastor Chris Brooks

who is a pastor, radio host, a seminary dean,

community developer.

Chris, I think the primary hat he wears is a senior pastor of Evangel ministries which is about a

1600-member church in the heart of the city of Detroit.

Chris also serves as dean at Moody Theological Seminary outside Detroit

and is a host of the very popular national radio show entitled

Equipped with Chris Brooks, which is heard on over 200 stations throughout the

US and Canada. Chris is also a very good friend of Biola, a graduate of our program in

Christian Apologetics, is the author of a couple books that we both

Sean I both recommend strongly to you, Kingdom Dreaming and Urban

Apologetics.

So Chris, delighted to have you with us.

Thanks so much for joining us for this discussion of race and the church.

Well, it's great to be with you guys, a very important conversation as you know that's being played out in front of our eyes each and every day and I'm glad that the church is not shying away from the conversation.

Chris, you have you pastor just on the outskirts of downtown Detroit.

I take it largely multi-ethnic, predominantly African American Church.

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