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Ancient Greece Declassified

R6.5 Why People Hate Plato

Ancient Greece Declassified

Dr. Lantern Jack

History, Education

4.8587 Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2022

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Plato is at once the most loved and possibly the most hated philosopher of all time. This episode explores five reasons why he drives some people mad.

Contents of the episode, with timestamps:

Reason 1: Who should rule? [7:30]

Reason 2: What political system is best? [12:20]

The Ship of State [15:10]

Reason 3: What is truth? [20:20]

Reason 4: What is knowledge? [30:35]

The Divided Line [40:25]

Reason 5: What is good?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, thanks for tuning in to ancient Greece, Declassified.

0:12.2

Episode R6.5, Why People Hate Plato.

0:20.1

At some point in the latter part of his career, Plato did people hate Plato.

0:26.2

At some point in the latter part of his career, Plato did something he had never done before and would never do again.

0:28.7

He gave a philosophy lecture to the public.

0:32.2

See, normally he only lectured within the confines of the academy to quite advanced students.

0:37.2

He had come to the idea early on that the masses would not appreciate his ideas, especially

0:42.2

his more technical ones.

0:43.6

It would be like giving a calculus lecture to people who had never learned arithmetic.

0:48.1

But for some reason, and we don't know why, because we only find this story in a few later

0:52.3

writers who obviously weren't there, and they

0:54.6

don't give as many details. For some reason, Plato decided one day to venture out of the academy

0:59.5

and present one of his signature theories to his fellow citizens. He was going to give a public

1:05.1

lecture titled On the Good. On the appointed day, a large crowd gathered. According to one source, even workers

1:12.8

from the farms and the vineyards and the metal workshops started to trickle in. Their curiosity

1:17.5

peaked to hear the famous philosopher. But Plato's lecture on the good was a big flop. The

1:24.1

crowd was disappointed. Some people, we are told, quietly despised what was said, while others openly voiced their disapproval.

1:31.6

It was a PR disaster, and Plato never gave another public lecture again.

1:37.3

Why was this lecture such a failure? That's a mystery that scholars have puzzled over for thousands of years.

1:44.1

The oldest attempted explanation we know of comes from Aristoxinus, who was a student of Aristotle's

1:49.0

and is our most reliable source for what happened on that fateful day.

1:53.0

He suggests that the reason for the crowd's disappointment was unfulfilled expectations.

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