Hey matter of opinion listeners, it's Michelle Cottle. We're taking some time off this holiday weekend,

but we did not want to leave you empty-handed. So we have something a little different today.

It's a little different today.

It's a fantastic audio essay from my colleague and fellow Michelle,

New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg.

Michelle spent some time last month with supporters of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

to try and answer this question.

If RFK Jr. is going to spoil the election,

is he going to spoil it for Biden or Trump? Here's her piece.

I'm Michelle Goldberg. I'm a columnist for the New York Times opinion section.

I recently went to a rally for Robert F.

Kennedy Jr. in Oakland, California.

We need to sit with each other and listen to the feelings and not walk away and not see each other as enemies.

Learn to love each other even through that anger and vitriol we need to start

coming back to each other as Americans again.

It was at the Henry J Kaiser Convention Center, this huge auditorium that wasn't anywhere close to full,

although there were hundreds of people there.

People who had very eccentric politics.

I witnessed one interesting exchange outside

where somebody was collecting signatures

to try to reinstate California's three strikes laws,

basically to make criminal penalties stricter in California.

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