Hey Michael Steel Podcast listeners, Michael Steel here with another quick take from the

Michael Steel Podcast. Check out what's going on right now. Welcome back everybody to the

Michael Steel Podcast. We're having a conversation as I said with our buddy Jonathan Lamir in his

new book The Big Live. So Jonathan, I have continued for like, and sounds like, okay, maybe I should

have left right at the break. But there was a role, everybody had a role in this at various

level stages and the media is not exempt. And how would you assess the media coverage of

Trump's ability to perpetuate or stifle The Big Live and the role that they played in that narrative.

I mean, like you, as you said, you know, you along with a handful of journalists who were, you know,

assigned Trump back in 2015, were kind of rolling their eyes gone, my God, why am I doing that? What

and who did I piss off to get this assignment turned into something way more than that. And

and there were there were various times where the media seems seem to be applauding maybe the

wrong word, but at least giving platform to a lot of of this even before Trump got to the White House.

Absolutely right. And I think there's a there are two different camps here and we'll return to

the conservative media in a moment. But I think even what we deemed the mainstream media certainly

in those early days was Coppola has had a lot of soul searching since the the book details and

that there was one rally infamously where Trump was an hour or two late from starting and CNN

had a camera up the entire time on the empty podium and the anchor is just kind of

vamped around it because they were not going to break away because Trump was so good for ratings

because people either watch those they loved or they hated them, but they watched it. He was

sort of like that car wreck. You couldn't take your eyes off of for some people still tuned in.

I think that all of the media, both Prince as well as as television radio, initially didn't know

what to do with him. We had never encountered someone like this who lied so easily and lied about

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