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We are having a great conversation with Ryan Busy who is the author of gun fight my battle against the industry that radicalized America.

I mentioned a little bit earlier, Ryan, one of the chapters that really made a lot sense to me and I think it's a trigger for a lot of people is how do we begin to to reframe this conversation in despite despite the efforts of the gun lobby, the NRA,

you know, whacked out Republicans

to begin to push back on the bullshit narratives

that are used to justify doing nothing.

And trying to change the system.

One of the things that I've made great note of and you talked about the political

pressure in this chapter exerted by young people. I watched and was inspired by what happened after the Storm and

Douglas shooting. When those students took it upon themselves not to have a repeat of other mass shootings where everyone

thoughts and prayers, oh my God, the children, and then do nothing.

These kids went and protested, they sat in the offices of Florida legislators,

and they eventually got some reforms done.

Speak a little bit to that.

Speak a little bit to calling out the bullshit.

And the role in particular that movement politics, and I don't mean that in sort of the pejorative way that some people like to talk about it, but seriously genuine movement politics that is inspired and is organic. It's not necessarily

organized and constructed as we've seen in the past that could actually be a way of sort of cracking the code on this.

Yeah, so the most important thing I remember from college was a simple little statement I took in a religion class from the professor and he stood up.

I don't know why it struck me but he said, we have a statue of liberty on one coast and if that's going to

stand we must have a statue of responsibility on the other coast.

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