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Coming to headphones near you on April 17th with a first guest you won't want to miss. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Quick Fix. I'm Courtney Martin. In today's bonus episode for Slate Plus members,

more from our conversation about how to get revenge with our guest Matthew Dix.

Matt is an elementary school teacher, storytelling coach, writer, and stand-up comedian who has another job,

unofficial, unpaid, as an expert on getting even.

Ahead, you'll hear about his tangle with Donald Trump, and we'll get his take on the

let them theory popularized by podcaster Mel Robbins. But first, the joy he finds in helping

others get their comeuppance might have something to do with where Matt grew up

and where one member of the how-to team grew up. We do have a producer, Sophie, who's also from

Massachusetts, as you are, and she wants us to ask, does being from Massachusetts predispose you to being good at revenge?

I think it predisposes you to feel the need for revenge, honestly.

Yeah, I live in Connecticut now.

Has Connecticut turned down the knob on your revenge lust?

No, it's made me aware of how different I am from the people around me.

Ah. Yeah. I do think that there's something about Massachusetts and a certain part of Massachusetts.

So if you lived in Western Massachusetts, you might as well live in Oregon. But if you live,

let's say, to the right of Worcester, you probably grew up with a certain degree of

angst and anger and annoyance and frustration that just sort of comes with the territory.

And so, yeah, I think there are places, you know, let's say the greater Boston area, I think

produces more revenge.

I think it's honestly why we have our country today.

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