Hello, Kaffiru cast listeners. It's Thursday morning and we've got our good friend Harold Ferenbrook who's getting ready to take off to Alaska with us today. What's up?

I'll just... Aaron's kind of got me lined up with a pack frame. After I worked for Jonas, Laskin Outfitters is going to be doing moves for the first time this year.

So I'm going to be putting this thing to... It's already been proven, which is why I'm getting it. But I'll be using it this time.

Yeah, it worked out good. Frank and I were getting ready to do kind of a podcast, sort of a Q&A on maybe misinformation about backpack hunting and archery. And then Harold came to get his pack frame. And some of the info we're going to talk about is kind of fitting to have Harold in here because you've been backpack hunting since Christ was a kid. How old are you now Harold?

58. Well, how long you... So that's been Jesus was born. So you backpacked with Jesus? How long have you been backpack hunting?

Like I said, epic outdoors did an interview with me and kind of what got me into it was my dad, my dad 14 years old. He'd be driving down the interstate and I'd be licking up in these mountains off that interstate.

Oh man, that's got to be good up there. That's got to be good up there. Well, he called my bluff one time and I said, you know, just let me just drop me off here and you can pick me up, you know, four days from now. So here he was 14 years old.

I haven't had my driver's license yet and my dad dropped me off and no one my dad, I know he's not going to pick me up for four more days. Where he dropped me off was a officer's gulch over there by a lead bill. And he was picking me up over there and bail.

So it was a lot further than what I had planned out, but you know, he drove off. I'm sitting there and loping my throat, you know, tears run down my cheeks going, now I'm homesick, you know, what the heck did I just get myself into? But that first night that I spent out there, I felt new. This is what I was made to do.

And I've never had a moment like that before is regards the wishing I didn't do it. Now I'm always, why can't I get up there more? So from that day on, I have been living, I wouldn't say living out of the backpack, but I've I really enjoy that kind of deal getting out in the middle of nowhere. No, and I'm the only one there seeing animals way before season, put my initials on an animal that I want to harvest two months before anybody even knows they're out there. So I get much more out of a backpack than most I start some way before season.

And it starts with me and I'm, you know, always somebody you can call to help pack out animals the last way after seasons over with for me. So it goes almost a year round. Yeah, well, that this will be good because you've got Frank here, what 30 now? 30.

Frank, so we got kind of three different generations here. We got Frank's 30. I'm 42, you're 58. So a little bit of everything in the sense of Frank, you started with you had the cell phone in the internet.

I did not. And then, but it was just getting going. And then obviously you started back before model team.

Yeah, but you did have probably those camp trails frames and and shit like that, I would guess. Yeah, the camp trail. I mean, out of camp more little little magazine they have and they put out. I got a camp more camouflage backpack before that. It was Montgomery Wars. It was my very first backpack. And it was a red, white and blue one. That would be politically correct these days. But it was patriotic. And that was going to be a good podcast.

So we're going to cover some archery stuff. Just from some questions that are kind of goofy questions. I've got that I think would be good to cover footwear optics backpack stuff. So while we're on a roll, let's just cover.

Out of the gate, there was a recent thread on Kaffiru insiders of what should your pack way without water and weapon for a 10 day hunt now to kind of give you a kick off. I asked Harold this question when he walked in. And Harold's like, I've been doing this a long time. So, you know, 10, 12 day hunt. My packs pretty lightweight. You said 60 pounds. 60 max 65. Yeah. Well, that's pretty fucking happy for what it was on Kaffiru insiders. So.

One thing I will say and there's nothing against anyone that posted everybody's just trying to help out. If you haven't actually done eight. We're going to just say 10 to 14 day backpack. Because that's more the outer limits of what most people do these days.

You're really just theorizing of the shit your stuff and in it in your house. Because a lot of things change when you're in what you know when you're getting your ass kicked in the back country. A lot of things change.

Your idea has changed mine did the first time I went and so you're saying 10 to 14 days 60 to 70 pounds. Yeah. Okay. Frank.

I'm going to be right there with him that and like Harold is saying food.

Food ways live. You're saying the same thing. I like to eat a lot when I'm back there and I don't want to I don't want to be hungry. And I think a lot of guys use this.

Excuse me. I want to lose weight. I guess. Yeah. I want to have as much energy as I can. So I'm eating as much as I can. And if you're a fatty bin bag. You do have some stored energy where you can because you can last two to three weeks without eating and not die. But that's not the goal is to not die. The goal is to be successful as a hunter. So realistically your sleep system.

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