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Barbell Medicine Podcast

Q&A Deep Dive: Measuring Fat Loss, Testosterone vs. GainzZz, the Carnivore Diet, and More

Barbell Medicine Podcast

Barbell Medicine

Health & Fitness

4.8 β€’ 1.2K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

πŸŽ™οΈ Q&A Deep Dive: The Critical Cutoff for Fat Loss, Safety, and Strength

πŸ“ Episode Summary: BMI, Training Safety, and Evidence-Based Nutrition


In this mini-sode, Dr. Jordan Feigenbaum answers core questions on performance and health. The discussion centers on replacing arbitrary body fat percentages with clinical, evidence-based metrics for determining when a lifter should start a fat loss phase, emphasizing BMI and waist circumference.

Dr. Feigenbaum also provides critical safety information on heavy barbell training for older men, addresses the mythology of testosterone and its role in strength gains, outlines a strategy for losing weight without losing strength through modest deficits and high protein, and critiques the common use cases for stretching and the risks of the popular carnivore diet.


⏱️ Episode Timestamps

  • [00:00] Introduction & Barbell Medicine Plus Offer
  • [00:43] Body Fat Percentage vs. Clinical Metrics for a Cut (BMI and Waist Circumference)
  • [07:22] The Clinical Use of Stretching and Injury Risk (Entry point for pain)
  • [09:51] Losing Weight Without Losing Strength (Modest deficit & high protein)
  • [13:19] Heavy Barbell Training and Heart Problems in Older Men (Cardiac safety)
  • [15:00] Favorite Testosterone Factoid and Relative Strength Gains (Androgen receptor saturation)
  • [17:18] The Problem with the Carnivore Diet (Saturated fat and fiber risks)


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βš•οΈ Section I: Body Composition and the Fat Loss Trigger

Replacing Body Fat Percentage with Clinical Markers


Dr. Feigenbaum critiques the common practice of using arbitrary body fat percentage thresholds (e.g., 25% for men) to recommend a fat loss phase, citing the lack of robust evidence correlating these numbers to disease risk and the poor accuracy of most measurement methods for tracking individual change.

Instead, the decision to recommend a cut for the average recreational lifter should rely on three objective, clinical criteria:

  1. BMI > 30: A Body Mass Index of 30 or over is highly specific for excess adiposity. Outside of anabolic-using athletes (a statistical aberration), this is a "do not pass go" line in the sand.
  2. Waist Circumference: For men, a waist circumference above 37 inches (particularly in those of European descent) is a stronger marker of visceral fat and increased risk.
  3. Adiposity-Based Chronic Disease (ABCD): The presence of medical conditions linked to excess body fat, such as high blood pressure (strength training and hypertension guidelines), dyslipidemia, or elevated fasting blood sugar.


Strategy for Losing Weight While Retaining Strength


The goal of losing weight without losing strength (e.g., 105 kg to 97 kg) is achievable through careful moderation of training and diet:

  • Calorie Deficit: Maintain a modest calorie deficit (under 200 calories) below maintenance. Going too fast risks losing more muscle mass.
  • Protein Intake: Keep protein high, targeting 1.4–1.6 g/kg of body weight per day.
  • Training Resilience: Research shows humans are resilient to maintaining performance in a short-to-medium-term energy deficit, provided the training is correctly moderated in both dose and formulation (prioritizing quality over high volume). Avoid overly restrictive diets like keto, which are detrimental to strength and muscle retention.


πŸ‹οΈ Section II: Training Safety and Hormones

Heavy Barbell Training and Heart Health in Older Men

The concern that heavy barbell training for men in their late 40s or 50s could cause heart problems (e.g., PACs or other abnormalities) is directly refuted by evidence.

  • Resistance Training is Safe: Cardiac adaptations from resistance training are overwhelmingly beneficial (lowering blood pressure, improving blood lipids).
  • Volume is the Risk Factor: The "extreme exercise hypothesis" suggesting exercise can be harmful is associated with ultra-endurance training (very high volume endurance work), not resistance training, as you simply cannot accumulate that level of volume.
  • Health Benefits Offset Risk: The vast health improvements from lifting (managing physician guidelines for lifting with high blood pressure and metabolic health) tend to offset any minor risks, such as the slightly increased incidence of AFib sometimes seen in very high-volume endurance athletes.


Debunking the Testosterone Myth

The idea that high testosterone levels within the normal range are the primary ceiling for muscle and strength gains is a myth.

  • Relative Gains are Equal: Men and women exposed to the same training stimulus gain the same relative amount of strength and muscle mass.
  • Receptor Saturation: This occurs because androgen receptors are already saturated at relatively low T levels. Increasing natural T levels from the normal range is unlikely to be clinically significant for performance.
  • Natural Optimization: Focus on fixing the primary drivers of low T: address obesity, manage chronic medical conditions, and ensure high-quality sleep.


πŸ”¬ Section III: Evidence-Based Training and Nutrition

The Problem with the Carnivore Diet

When the carnivore diet is typically followed, it is not consistent with a health-promoting dietary pattern:

  1. Saturated Fat: It often results in excessively high consumption of saturated fat from animal sources (butter, red meat), which is not health-promoting when it accounts for a large percentage of daily calories (e.g., 20%).
  2. Fiber Deficiency: It drastically limits vegetable matter, resulting in very low dietary fiber, which is linked to poorer long-term health outcomes.


The True Role of Stretching

Despite common belief, stretching and mobility work do not decrease injury risk or reduce soreness. Their application should be limited:

  • Sport Specificity: Use stretching to achieve mobility necessary for specific sports (e.g., figure skating).
  • Pain Entry Point: Use stretching as a gentle regression or entry point to exercise for individuals dealing with significant pain, such as the initial phases of managing pain-free strength training low back stenosis.




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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to the Barbell Medicine podcast. I'm Dr. Jordan Feigenbaum. This is a preview of some of the additional content that we regularly send out to our Barbell Medicine Plus subscribers. And if you like what you hear, you need to join.

0:16.5

Subscribers get the full ad-free experience, a ton of bonus content, and on top of all of that,

0:22.1

massive discounts to include 25% off all courses and seminars, 15% off consultations, 10% off

0:28.3

all of our programs, early access to podcasts, and that's for about the cost of a cup of coffee

0:33.6

for Austin and I. All right, that's it for the pitch. On to the show.

0:49.0

John Rhodes, caller, what's your question? For the average recreational lifter, at what body fat percentage would you recommend they start a cut? This is actually a really interesting question.

0:55.9

So this might, we might take a tangent here, as I am prone to do.

1:01.0

But, you know, one of the metrics, the measurements that we use to screen for obesity is body mass index, BMI, right? And it gets all sorts of hate all over

1:13.3

the internet. People are BMI is BS, BMI's this, that, and the other, none of it's positive. Nobody is like

1:17.9

taking up the cause for BMI. And I think that's unfair for a few reasons. One, it assumes that there's

1:24.9

something better out there that we could be using instead and it also

1:29.4

assumes that BMI is doing a bad job at what it's intended to do and in this case BMI is designed to be

1:40.0

a screening tool for identifying those who are carrying too much body fat. And the cutoff that we use

1:46.0

is 30. So, you know, generally when people are complaining about BMI, they're like, I have a BMI that says

1:51.9

I'm overweight. And I'm like, well, I don't really care about that. 30 is the number I'm working

1:56.7

with to identify if somebody's carrying too much body fat. Below that, maybe at risk, but 30's the

2:02.7

line in the sand that we draw. Now, the real problem with BMI is that it does not catch enough

2:09.8

people. A good screening test should catch everybody with the thing you're screening for

2:14.4

and have some false positives.

2:17.5

That would be a very sensitive test.

2:19.7

And then you would use an additional testing to rule out people who are falsely identified.

2:24.4

Now the problem with BMI is not that it identifies too many people.

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