Hey, before we get to today's program, I want you to know that Dave and I were

perfect parents until we had a child. Exactly. And we used to think there were

perfect parents, but there are no perfect parents. And that's why we wrote the

book, no perfect parents. And we're excited because now we have an online video

course for you. And you can go through it as a small group individually or even

just as a couple. And to get that, you can go to familylife.com slash not

perfect to find out more. Again, familylife.com slash not perfect.

It was like a whole different Josh that was playing in the middle of his work

day. And he'd go out to lows and go pick up stuff to, you know, fix this in the

house or whatever. And yet he was more productive in his work time. And I'm

looking at him like, like, I love this Josh because I see the real you.

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships

that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson. And I'm Dave Wilson and you can find us at

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So at year 10, we almost lost our marriage. Oh, great. You're going to bring that up.

And I don't know if I've asked you, but I know the answer. Do you regret that you

put so much time and energy into this like call to start a church? Do you have

regrets about that those years? The right answer would be yes. Well, I don't want to hear.

No, I mean, I'm kidding. But of course, I mean, I was chasing hard after it was easy to say

God's call and spiritualize it, which it was. But it also was. I loved walking on a stage

and seeing lives changed and the spotlight was on me. I mean, I didn't want to say it or see it

then, but it was true. It's pretty awesome to walk up there and they put a mic in front of you.

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