Hey, before we get to today's program, I want you to know that Dave and I were

perfect parents until we had a child. Exactly. And we used to think there were

perfect parents, but there are no perfect parents. And that's why we wrote the book

No Perfect Parents. And we're excited because now we have an online video course

for you. And you can go through it as a small group individually or even just as

a couple. And to get that, you can go to familylife.com slash not perfect to find out more.

Again, familylife.com slash not perfect.

Whatever you are on your stage from a board member or wherever, you get these accolades and

you get this dopamine bump and come in home and now you're asked to play shoots and ladders

with an opponent that has no idea which way is up and which way is down. Or, you know,

polypockets or whatever it is. And you can't sit there because there's not a dopamine bump

the same way as it is in your world around you. And so it's no wonder we start chasing fame

outside the home. And we start to neglect it and our family starts to get the leftovers.

Welcome to familylife today where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Ann Wilson. And I'm Dave Wilson and you can find us at familylifetoday.com or on the family life

app. This is familylifetoday.

All right, I got a question for you. Okay. Looking back, what would you say the toughest years were

for parenting for you? Yeah, probably five and under. Yeah. Because we had three boys,

five and under and you were always gone and you were starting the church. Somehow I came back to

me. I felt like I had no life and I felt like I was dying and it was really hard. I figured you

say that. What would you say? Zero to two or three because, you know, I'm like, I want them to do

something. They couldn't do anything. Yeah, I was working a ton. Oh, is that why you were always

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