I call this my like grand daddy gremlin it his he is the you're not good enough

gremlin and he spawns all the other gremlins but they can all be traced back to him

and so it just fed that feeling of not feeling good enough.

You are listening to Made of Human,

also known as the whole part, a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen who is a Danish comedian

Mowahad trying to find out how to do life

But it turns out nobody knows mau Hello, thank you for listening. I am in I'm in a good mood because I'm actually

really excited about today's guest. I shouldn't say I'm actually really excited as if I'm not usually

excited but it's a special one I think. Mary M. Pasha is the curator of

London no TEDx London and TEDx London women.

She is an extraordinary person and she is so,

I mean you get to hear her, you get to hear her talk in a bit so I don't want to give too much away but she's a friend of mine apart from being this incredible person and I've learned so much from her this is one of the

things that I have learned from her the most most important thing I've learned from

her so when I met her a few years ago and I must have met her when she booked me to be on TEDx London women where I did, if you Google

like TEDx London women, Sophie Hagen, this, my set-ex talk is up there.

And well, now I'm feeling like I must have known her before that, but maybe I don't.

Anyway, it's not the point.

The point is, when we were getting to know each other, she would make a lot of sort of

bit self-deprecating sarcastic jokes about how she was going to make herself

my friend and she just really wanted to be friends with me

and she was going to force me to be friends with her and it was sort of like it was funny

but it was sort of also just that and this is what I learned. I learned that people don't always know how

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