what I tried to look at the opinion polls over the last two years to see that that's the case.

I mean, everybody talks about Germany and Britain and America as supporting Israel,

and that's absolutely correct.

And I myself have been critical of this.

However, if you look at the opinion polls for all three countries,

the opinions are vastly different

to the elites.

So I think we need to think, put on our old Gramshian hats and see these institutions

as part of the hegemony factory that tries to ensure consent for the policy of that government.

Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Magdisar Street podcast.

We're thrilled today to have with us Mandy Turner, who's a writer based in London,

and who's really, he's a friend and she's been based in London,

and she's been researching Palestine and Israel for over 25 years and has held positions

in academia as a professor of conflict, peace, and humanitarian affairs at the University of Manchester,

among other places. But she's also lived in Palestine as the director of the Kenyan Institute

in East Jerusalem. And maybe Mandy will tell us more about what that is. And she's also worked

as a journalist for the Guardian newspaper among other newspapers. So she's been able to kind of

cross between academia, the policy world, and kind of media.

And she's also an activist and kind of worked in solidarity movements.

So we're going to like to pick her brain on all of these issues.

She's also had extensive scholarship.

Her most recent book was an edited collection entitled

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