PT553 – Healing Psychedelics: Where Science Meets Spirit, with Micah Stover & Craig Heacock, MD

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🗓️ 4 October 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Joe interviews Micah Stover: certified psychedelic somatic therapist and author of the upcoming book, Healing Psychedelics: Innovative Therapies for Trauma and Transformation; and Craig Heacock, MD: adolescent, adult, and addiction psychiatrist, and host of the Back from the Abyss podcast.

Stover discusses the inspiration for the book: the ancestral voices she started hearing after she had children, being featured on Heacock's podcast and becoming fascinated with people's healing stories, and her move to Mexico, where she learned the beauty of a less complicated and more connected life. She learned that the village you surround yourself with is really the medicine, and that existing in the mysteries of life can be much more beneficial than trying to solve everything. Combining her Western training with more Indigenous perspectives, she wondered: Where do science and spirit meet? And how can they dance together?

They discuss:

Stover's early days of offering medicine journeys in Mexico, and how much leaning on elders from all backgrounds matters
The importance of discernment in non-ordinary states: Is spiritual bypassing just the absence of discernment?
How finding a village can be just connecting to the earth: How much of our trauma is from a "nature deficit disorder"?
The power of transference and the relationship between therapists/facilitators and clients
The idea that modern psychology has fallen short because we've sterilized love out of the room, and the challenge of bringing love back as part of a safe container

and more!

The book, which is laid out somewhat like a workbook (and which Heacock wrote the foreward to) comes out on November 4 and is available for pre-order now.

For links, head to the show notes page.

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hello, everybody and welcome back to psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore. I am coming at you from a parking lot in Denver. Just came down to record
0:24.1	with Micah Stover and Dr. Craig Hecock. And we talk about healing psychedelics, which is Micah's new
0:31.6	book. Dr. Hecock wrote the foreword or introduction. And it's been a lovely book so far I'm about halfway through and
0:38.8	I recommend it for folks who want a slightly different perspective on the psychedelic uh movement
0:46.6	and what we're up to here collectively in psychedelia I had a lovely time I think Micah came in
0:53.6	Puerto Vallerta and um dr. Hickok came down from Fort
0:57.3	Colons. So all three of us coming from a bit away, Micah more than us. So thank you both for coming down.
1:04.9	And I hope everybody loves this interview. I had a great time and I can't wait to do more with these two.
1:10.0	Enjoy.
1:20.1	Hello everybody. Welcome back to psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore. We're recording live in a in a studio actually for the first time in a long time in Denver. I'm joined today by
1:26.5	Micah Stover and Craig Hecock. We're here to
1:28.7	talk about Mike's new book, Psychedelic Healing. Healing psychedelics. Healing psychedelics, yeah.
1:34.6	There you go. My dyslexia is forward sometimes. So I am excited because I've made it about halfway
1:41.9	through your book and I wish I could have finished it because
1:45.2	it's in like this new approachable style that I think people need and almost like workbook style too
1:52.3	at the same time as you have this like beautiful narrative and storytelling of what's happening
1:57.0	in the culture and science around these things and maybe you get some workbooks too but so um
2:02.5	i guess before we dig too far into your book let's talk about you and yeah can you give us a little bit of an
2:09.3	introduction on yourself like um yeah how did you get here sure yeah thank you 20 minutes or less
2:15.1	i'm kidding however long you want i'll do my best at brevity.
2:18.8	So I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee, and I grew up in a pretty misogynistic evangelical
2:24.9	culture.
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