PT506 – Decolonization, Difficult Conversations, and the Challenge of Merging Spirituality and Science, with Philip Wolf
Psychedelics Today
Psychedelics Today, LLC
4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 23 April 2024
⏱️ 102 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Joe interviews Philip Wolf: writer, member of Rolling Stone's Culture Council, founder of Cultivating Spirits (the first company in the U.S. to offer legal culinary cannabis experiences), and founder of CashoM, an education company offering a certificate in cannabis stewardship.
He discusses his recent Rolling Stone article about the need to divorce ourselves from the colonial mindset that pervades the psychedelic movement, and he talks about the difficult conversation that came about when he asked a very critical group of psychedelic leaders how they felt about the article, and how it taught him just how powerful having these difficult conversations can be.
He also discusses:
- The importance of asking questions and not making assumptions
- Why we may need to abandon the "no justice, no peace" attitude if we ever want to move forward
- The idea that instead of endlessly battling the establishment, maybe it makes more sense to change our consumer mindset and allow capitalism to do its thing
- The importance of reaching out to local Indigenous tribes and allocating resources to go to them, not make them come to you
- The challenge of merging spirituality and science, especially for a regulatory model focused on profit
and more!
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everybody and welcome back to Segadilex. |
| 0:15.0 | This is Joe Moore coming out from Brecker Range, Colorado. |
| 0:17.0 | Today on the show, we have Philip Wolfpack. |
| 0:20.0 | He's a friend. We've been known each other for a long time, I think probably met him in 2014. |
| 0:28.0 | And as part of the kind of Colorado cannabis industry. |
| 0:33.0 | And yeah, we've had an ongoing friendship conversation for years now. And this particular episode, |
| 0:40.7 | I think, was really helpful for me wrapping my head around Phillips mindset, around |
| 0:45.8 | critiques against psychedelic legalization, the efforts in Colorado and more. |
| 0:59.3 | And, you know, his efforts to, you know, be as authentic to as hard as he can be. |
| 1:04.5 | So really interesting conversation for me, challenging at times, but I think important for everybody to kind of get this stuff. |
| 1:08.3 | So one of the things that we did special here is included a recording at the |
| 1:14.6 | very end of testimony that was given at the state house in Colorado in regards to the legalization |
| 1:22.5 | push. And I think there's some special information here. This was supposed to be our 420 episode. |
| 1:29.3 | There is some cannabis talk, but there is also a good amount of psychedelic talk too. |
| 1:35.9 | So, you know, ride this one out for us. |
| 1:38.2 | I promise it's going to be helpful. |
| 1:40.7 | So all right, I think that's it for now. |
| 1:42.6 | Philip, thank you for being on the show. I hope we can do more. And I hope you all enjoy this one. Wait, wait, wait, I forgot. On May 8, we kick off navigating psychedelics, which is our 47 hour, nine week training program that qualifies for continuing ed credits. We call it navigating psychedelics for wellness |
| 2:03.6 | practitioners and clinicians. We call it that so clinicians know it's for them, but it's also |
| 2:10.0 | for you, the non-clinician. So if you want to get an amazing primer, an amazing 47 hour education in this space with us, live supported |
| 2:21.7 | by the Psychedelic Today team. Check this one out. Come over to Psychedelic Education Center.com |
| 2:27.4 | to learn more. There's classes on May 8 and May 9 and you can get into a program there. |
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