Hello and welcome to Psychedelics today. My name is David Drapkin, your host for this episode,

a conversation with Dr. Aziris Sunouhe Gonzalez-Romero based in Mexico. He is a

doctor of archaeology. He's a philosopher. He's an expert on the history of the Mesoamerica

around the uses of psychedelic plants. And he's really a novel thinker, particularly around

the intersection of the psychedelic

renaissance and indigenous traditions and concepts and who gets to kind of name things and define

things and own the way that this should be done or legalized so a bit of drug policy comes into

this but there's very much is quite a lot around decolonization

and cognitive liberty in what we're speaking about. And it really is so refreshing to speak to a

philosopher because our need for ideas terminology is huge because we are developing kind of new meanings, new narratives, and we are

deconstructing a lot of the old ones that simply aren't fit for purpose, but are also,

you know, racist and colonialist. So we put a lot of emphasis on psychedelics as humanities,

not as a medicalization, but something that is more

a philosophical area of exploration and an area of humanities to understand. The concept of an

ontological turn is something that Osiris mentioned as well, and this sense that it's not just a incremental shift in how we

think about something is actually an entirely different framework or methodology of experiencing

reality and existential worlds. So love talking about that. And at the very end, he mentioned something about a peyote

project with the University of Wisconsin, an ancient manuscript from the experiences of pey

traditions just before the Spanish Inquisition had kind of started over there. So really interesting

to hear that.

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